taking buscopan and methocarbamol

Hi all hope everyone still fighting the demon fissures .I was told by a friend that buscopan was good for spasms so i tried one of these this morning but to no avail,can i take methocarbamol with these or would it make me loopy im having awful spasms today have just had 20 min sitz bath but has brought me no relief, still waiting for hospital date for botox but reading on this forum it going to be a waste of time but i will try this and if no relief i will push for lis .

A low dose of valium might relax things better for you. Have you tried rectogesic or Anoheal - they help quite a bit with spasms.

I hate benzos, I found another option for me to be codeine.

Benzos(valium) are muscle relaxants and anti anxiety, opiods(muscle relaxant and pain killer).

They are both hard drugs but I think codeine is seen as a lesser drug as its OTC here in Australia.

The reason codeine is contraindicated in this condition is it can cause constipation but in reality if you are taking a stool softener its a non issue, 15mg codeine for me helps a lot with spasms and as a bonus, pain. And does not cause me any constipation.

From what I have gathered on the drug class, Benzos are more damaging and have a much harsher withdrawal, where opiods are much more addictive, less damaging and dont have much of a come down at all.
Pretty much if you take a theraputic dose of valium for this condition long term, you can suffer withdrawals and side effects.
But a theraputic dose of codeine for this condition will not cause withdrawal effects or dependence, although is likely to have diminishing returns due to your body developing a dose tolerance which unfortunately is permanent.

I suppose it depends on what works for a particular person.
I found a low dose of valium really helped with the spasms, and I had absolutely no trouble at all coming off them.
We're all different, what works for one , won't work for another!

thanks val +sore guy i have been using rectogesic and have tried anoheal but neither have worked I dont think my doc would perscribe valium he said he cant understand why im having so much pain with spasms i shall make an appointment and discuss these options with him thanks for your advice

Thats true, for me it is just a personal choice, I have had experience with xanax and codeine from surgeries, and for me codeine was a better anti anxiety than xanax oddly.
So I think I just tolerate it much better, although xanax is a little harsher then valium which I havent tried.

I would suggest people just try both and continue with whatever is preferred.

One thing about codeine is you cant drink on it, from reports of someone who has its not even fun to do it.
And you should take a stool softener with it to be safe.

Diddlydel, try Diltiazem, if that doesnt help then push for a codeine or valium Rx as it can be very beneficial in healing the condition.

The idea is to stack rectogeic OR diltiazem with valium OR in my case codeine.

I think a CRS would be much more likely to Rx Valium by the way.
If not then GPs usually hand them out like candy for anxiety.

Soreguy, Anoheal is the UK brand name for diltiazem!

Adele, how long did you try the Anoheal and Rectogesic? They do take a while to work.

Yes, you could say you need valium for the anxiety! Fissures do cause a LOT of anxiety!!

Val i have been using rectogesic since february then recto surgeon suggested anoheal which gave me an itch so changed back to rectogesic.I used it twice daily until tube was finished then got another.Is it safe to use it long term? also do you put it inside your bum or apply outside ,do you use it before or after bm

I used for absolutely ages, it seemed to be fine!
A lot of people put it right inside but I'm far too squeamish to do that! It had the same result though, just rubbed all around it.
If you use rectogesic before a bm, it does lubricate it and it seems less painful as the muscle is relaxed.

Soreguy wrote:
From what I have gathered on the drug class, Benzos are more damaging and have a much harsher withdrawal, where opiods are much more addictive, less damaging and dont have much of a come down at all.

I actually agree with the striked out part, except I wouldn't say benzos are necessarily more damaging than opiates or vice-versa. I think the jury is still out on that ... most benzos create more active metabolites, but opiates are typically combined with APAP (the only formulation available under normal circumstances here in the States) which is very hepatoxic.

The rest is pretty much 100% right on. For most people, opiates are more addictive, but withdrawal is INFINITELY easier in the long run. And it's not even close. In the short term, opiate withdrawal is hell on earth, but you just need to ride it out. That's it. It will be uncomfortable, and you will feel sick, but as long as you tough it out, you'll be fine once the drug clears your system, which isn't very long for most opiates. A couple of weeks max. Benzos, on the other hand, can have VERY long half lives, and are actually dangerous -- not just uncomfortable -- to withdraw from. The main risk in the short term is seizures, and in the long term, it's the possibility of protracted benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome.

Anyone who has withdrawn from drugs, especially multiple drugs, will tell you that benzo withdrawal is THE ABSOLUTE WORST of them all. No question whatsoever. It takes the longest, comes with much more deeply engrained physical dependency, and is MUCH less predictable (this last bit is what makes it so sinister). And the other worst parts: you can get addicted very quickly and without knowing it, and you can suffer tolerance withdrawals even when you haven't reduced your dosage. Benzo withdrawal is PURE EVIL -- I just can't stress this enough -- and should be avoided at all costs. The way benzos actually modulate the GABA neurotransmitter system is very poorly understood, and for many people (just look on Benzo Buddies or the other countless benzo support groups out there) the brain chemistry changes are essentially permanent, meaning they wind up having to take GABA modulators their entire lives (some switch to gabapentin after coming off benzos for example).

P.S.
I'm by no means a completely anti-drug guy a la Tom Cruise. I think every drug has its usage case, and am actually a fan of some recreational drugs (i.e., marijuana for instance). But IMO benzos are often taken lightly when the effects can be potentially devastating. Anyone who decides to start these should be absolutely certain that they're prepared for the possibility of the worst case. (On top of that, Valium is generally recognized as having greatest efficacy for skeletal muscle relaxation, not smooth muscle, and there's no consensus on its effectiveness for smooth muscle spasms.)

Ok so that's my benzo doom 'n gloom rant. Just be careful if you're hopping on the benzo train, that's all. And yes, to be perfectly fair: the converse is that many people take them and have no problems at all. As with anything else, there is variance. But for these particular drugs, there are enough people out there who have really bad times with them that IMO fair warning is warranted.

P.P.S.
For the original poster: methocarbomal is another skeletal muscle relaxant which (IMO only) probably won't be too useful for fissures. I've taken it before and it constipated me and also seemed to have no noticeable effect. Your mileage may vary, of course, but don't be shocked if it doesn't do anything. I've never personally heard of buscopan but from the name it sounds like it might be one of the belladonna alkaloids? If so those are often used for treating intestinal spasms, usually in combination with other antispasmodics. Look that one up, if it's a belladonna alkaloid or otherwise comes from the belladonna plant family then odds are it's used more for IBS than for fissures.